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 Post subject: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-10 10:07 pm 
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Theme: Blue/Black tap out control with a side order of Assassins

Link to deckstats list: https://deckstats.net/decks/5132/334970 ... anting-you

Decklist:
//Sideboard
SB: 1 Ramses Overdark # !Commander

//Enchanting!
1 Animate Artifact
1 Aura Graft
1 Banewasp Affliction
1 Creature Bond
1 Dead Man's Chest
1 Dragon Shadow
1 Dragon Wings
1 Fallen Ideal
1 Fool's Demise
1 Genju of the Fens
1 Grim Guardian
1 Launch
1 Pooling Venom
1 Propaganda
1 Ragged Veins
1 Screams from Within
1 Slow Motion
1 Trespasser's Curse
1 Unhallowed Pact
1 Vampiric Link

//Tappy Tappy
1 Adverse Conditions
1 Freed from the Real
1 Pemmin's Aura
1 Retreat to Coralhelm
1 Sleep
1 Thornbite Staff
1 Thousand-Year Elixir

//Assassins
1 Assassinate
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Dark Impostor
1 Evil Twin
1 Kiku, Night's Flower
1 Nightshade Assassin
1 Royal Assassin
1 Stronghold Assassin

//What's Yours Is Mine
1 Confiscate
1 Dream Leash
1 Grave Betrayal
1 Mind Control
1 Nezumi Graverobber
1 Rootwater Matriarch
1 Soul Ransom
1 Steal Artifact
1 Take Possession

//Removals
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Decree of Pain
1 Feast of Dreams
1 Hex

//Randoms
1 AEtherize
1 Arcane Denial
1 Baleful Strix
1 Borrowing 100,000 Arrows
1 Consuming Aberration
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Draining Whelk
1 Geode Golem
1 Harvester of Souls
1 Illusionist's Bracers
1 Illusionist's Gambit
1 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
1 Sol Ring
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Swiftfoot Boots

//Mana
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Temple of the False God
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Vivid Creek
17 Island
12 Swamp

Comments/Notes: A creature control deck; it's quite good at keeping random creatures off the board or under my control, but it really needs a sweeper or two. Also now that I type out the decklist, I probably need some explicitly colourless mana sources for Endbringer (who may not stay in the deck for long anyway). Also it's running a grand total of one counterspell and that's probably a mistake :P

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-10 10:08 pm 
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Most recent changes

11/11/18
-1 Altar of Shadows
-1 Copy Enchantment
-1 Lay Claim
-1 Mystic Restraints
-1 Paralyze
-1 Endbringer
+1 Big Game Hunter
+1 Dead Man's Chest
+1 Grave Betrayal
+1 Kiku, Night's Flower
+1 Screams from Within
+1 Unhallowed Pact

22/10/18
Added/removed cards:
-1 Sepulchral Primordial
-1 Watery Grave
+1 Nezumi Graverobber
+1 Island

(9/9/18):

-1 Domineer
-1 Maddening Imp
-1 Phyrexian Ingester
-1 Singing Bell Strike
-1 Witch's Mist

+1 Endbringer
+1 Geode Golem
+1 Lay Claim
+1 Ragged Veins
+1 Trespasser's Curse

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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Cards to add:

Definites:
Dead Man's Chest (Added)
Unhallowed Pact (Shabbaman)
Big Game Hunter (Shabbaman) (Added)
Kiku, Night's Flower (Shabbaman) (Added)
Avatar of Woe (Shabbaman) Already there
Quietus Spike (Shabbaman)
Screams from Within (Coco) (Added)k
Estrid's Invocation (Coco)
Doomwake Giant (Coco)
Grave Betrayal (Coco) (Added)
Nezumi Graverobber (Kemev) Added
Glistening Oil (Kemev)

Maybes:
Thorn of the Black Rose (Shabbaman)
Nekrataal (Shabbaman)
Agent of the Fates (Coco and Shabbaman)

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-11 12:59 pm 
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Card tag the decklist plz?

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-11 1:27 pm 
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Oops, done

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
AgePosted: 2018-Sep-11 7:56 pm 
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Location: Costa La Haya, capital del ducado Holanda
My current list:

1 Ramses Overdark

Aura of greatness
1 Dragon Shadow
1 Dragon Wings
1 False Demise
1 Fool's Demise
1 Unhallowed Pact
1 Shade's Form
1 Dead Man's Chest

Assassins
1 Agent of the Fates
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Royal Assassin
1 Kiku, Night's Flower
1 Silent Assassin
1 Thorn of the Black Rose
1 Notorious Assassin
1 Dark Impostor
1 Nekrataal
1 Virtus the Veiled
1 Avatar of Woe
1 Custodi Lich

Thieves
1 Hostage Taker
1 Willbreaker
1 Puppeteer Clique

Ninja's and infiltrators
1 Neurok Invisimancer
1 Keeper of Keys
1 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
1 Silent-Blade Oni
1 Sakashima's Student
1 Shadowmage Infiltrator
1 Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow

Draw
1 River Kelpie
1 Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Skeleton Key

Enablers
1 Cauldron of Souls
1 Domineering Will
1 Phyrexian Splicer
1 Tawnos' Coffin
1 Fumble

Control
1 Darkness
1 Sudden Spoiling
1 Marchesa's Decree
1 Dismiss into Dream
1 Agent of Erebos
1 No Mercy

Cloaks and daggers
1 Cloak and Dagger
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Whispersilk Cloak
1 Thousand-Year Elixir
1 Quietus Spike

Recursion
1 Phyrexian Reclamation

Copy/paste
1 Rite of Replication

Ramp
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Burnished Hart
1 Sol Ring
1 Coalition Relic
1 Thaumatic Compass
1 Expedition Map
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
1 Revel in Riches
1 Black Market

Secret Lairs
10 Island
7 Swamp
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Maze of Ith
1 Command Tower
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Polluted Delta
1 River of Tears
1 Secluded Glen
1 Sunken Hollow
1 Choked Estuary
1 Underground River
1 Underground Sea
1 Watery Grave
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Academy Ruins
1 Tolaria West
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse

I made some changes recently, mainly cutting some recursion and a lot of the steal/borrow cards. My other decks are recursion heavy, so I looked for something different here. When I started out I figured I wanted blue card draw and permission or bounce. Well, that didn't work out that well. I guess I will include Spell Swindle eventually, just because of Revel in Riches. Besides that omission I want to do more with the unblockable infiltrators, ninja's and ETB effects, but there's little room. One thing I need to explore is if this is a good place to exploit vehicles: Smuggler's Copter gives your puny assassins something to do when they have nothing to do. In theory, at least.

All in all I feel the deck is not that strong, but it is fun and cool (at least in my book). It's weak enough that I think it'd be okay to add some ridiculously strong cards like Paradox Engine: that'll certainly give your royal something to do.

EDIT:

Helm of the Host and Blade of Selves are nice with ETB effects as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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Cool, definately grabbed some ideas from there, thanks :) What is the category "enablers"? Seems like a random bunch of cards to me :P

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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The first three trigger Willbreaker and Dismiss into Dream, Coffin retriggers ETB, and Fumble, well, could’ve been under aura’s. These cards “enable” other cards, although they appear pretty random indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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Screams from Within seems like a really good aura for when you get one of the machine-gun untap effects going.
They also just printed Estrid's Invocation, which might be good alongside Copy Enchantment.

I would be curious as to why you included Grim Guardian but not Dreadbringer Lampads or Doomwake Giant for the constellation effects.

Not sure if Grave Betrayal would be your style, but it seems better than some of the Mind Control type enchantments you have.

Agent of the Fates might be a good assassin to pack, you can pile your Auras on him to get around hexproof and indestructible.

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Shabbaman wrote:
The first three trigger Willbreaker and Dismiss into Dream, Coffin retriggers ETB, and Fumble, well, could’ve been under aura’s. These cards “enable” other cards, although they appear pretty random indeed.

Oh wow totally missed the Cauldron of Souls/Willbreaker combo. That's nuts!

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Screams from Within seems like a really good aura for when you get one of the machine-gun untap effects going.
They also just printed Estrid's Invocation, which might be good alongside Copy Enchantment.
Screams from Within is a card I keep forgetting exists, and I definitely need to put it in here! Estrid's Invocation is also worth picking up, as it's basically a strict upgrade to Copy Enchantment except it can only copy your own stuff (which I'll be doing anyway 99% of the time)

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I would be curious as to why you included Grim Guardian but not Dreadbringer Lampads or Doomwake Giant for the constellation effects.
The answer to these sorts of questions is almost always "because I didn't think of it" :lol: Grim Guardian is a wincon of sorts (albeit a very very very slow one) - this deck is pretty low on creatures so giving my stuff Intimidate and/or killing my opponents creatures off doesn't really do too much - Doomwake Giant might make the cut here as a decent body and a good ability but I'll probably pass on Dreadbringer Lampads.

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Not sure if Grave Betrayal would be your style, but it seems better than some of the Mind Control type enchantments you have.
That's a great suggestion, thanks! I have this in Lim-Dûl, not sure why I didn't think of it here :)

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Agent of the Fates might be a good assassin to pack, you can pile your Auras on him to get around hexproof and indestructible.
I don't have that many auras I want to put on my own guys (there are a few) - having said that making people sac creatures is always good. Will add it to the maybe list.

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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Where's Glistening Oil?

You get a two-fer... reasonable threat, machine gun with Ramses

Also, if criminal mischief and thievery is part of your plan, Nezumi Graverobber is quite charming

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Excellent choices, both. There's a chance Glistening Oil backfires on me but it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Graverobber is something I hadn't considered but given this deck wants to win with other people's creatures, it's a great call :)

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 Post subject: Re: Viperion's 32 deck challenge: UB/Dimir - Ramses Enchanting
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If you want to go with Glistening Oil it's worth mentioning Suq'Ata Assassin. I thought poison was thematic for a assassin deck, but opponents tend to disagree.

The downside of Glistening Oil is that it kills your own puny assassins if you enchant your own stuff with it. Cute with Ramses, but synergy with a weak commander with high CMC does not make me appreciate a card a whole lot. It's not great with the matriarch either.

I have considered Opposition. It's a good enabler, and solid with Paradox Engine.

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Possible additions from Guilds of Ravnica:

Hired Poisoner (maybe)
Etrata, the Silencer

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For Etrata: Strionic Resonator. Should work, unlike proliferate. Also nice with ETB effects..

For Hired Poisoner: something like Thornbite Staff? I like that there's a cheap blocker available for assassins tribal, but I'm not sure I'll find room for it.

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