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 Post subject: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-02 1:37 pm 
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I have a trade opportunity and I thought I'd post it here to get some oppinions

Which side of the trade would you take? Top or Bottom:

TOP:
Judge foil Demonic Tutor

BOTTOM:
Volrath's Stronghold
Phyrexian Tower
Exp. Wooded Foothills
SDCC Promo Liliana Vess
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Mystical Tutor
Foil Blade of the Bloodchief
Akroma's Memorial
Thespian Stage
Arguel's Blood Fast
Cyclonic Rift
Phyrexian Arena
Full Art Foil Black Sun's Zenith


What's your pick? Anyone got any similar fun trade conundrums?

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-02 1:43 pm 
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Bottom, all day erry day and twice on Sundays.

But that's because in my mind a MP Revised Demonic Tutor is the same card as a Judge Foil Demonic Tutor and it's not worth what people think it's worth. I'm aware I'm in the minority on that one ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-02 1:59 pm 
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Viperion wrote:
Bottom, all day erry day and twice on Sundays.

But that's because in my mind a MP Revised Demonic Tutor is the same card as a Judge Foil Demonic Tutor and it's not worth what people think it's worth. I'm aware I'm in the minority on that one ;)


You are definitely not alone. I have a few Demonic Tutors and they all play the same. That being said, I have duplicates of all the Bottom cards except for the Lilly Vess and Exp. Foothills. Taking that out of consideration, I'd do Bottom too easily.

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-02 11:08 pm 

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Bottom esp if you're a regular trader. You can flip all of that into better cards that you need.

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-03 9:37 pm 
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I'd tend towards the bottom. Demonic Tutor seems like a rather tempting target for another reprint and may be considerably harder to move in any case.

(For valuation questions I always assume people can compare prices on sites by themselves, so I always "shoot from the hip" on these. If you need guidance on how to compare prices I'm always happy to give my thoughts on that too.)

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-04 12:27 am 
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I've not compared prices - so I'm assuming they're similar.

That said, I'd prefer to be on the bottom. The Demonic is a single card, even if it were the only demonic you had, you're getting lots of variety and potential edh cards for different decks in the bottom list. And there's a bunch of cards that can duplicate DT's effects, just for some more mana. But in edh -- more mana is only occasionally an issue. So loss of opportunity there seems worth what you'd gain from the bottom list.

And honestly, I think I've seen many more Demonic Tutors than Volrath's Stronghold, and VS is such a good card.


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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-04 3:57 am 
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Prices are even between top and bottom.

Wow...how is Demonic Tutor not on the reserved list!?!? Totally thought it was!

Yeah, I'm done with this trade now. I don't trade reserve list cards for non-reserved list.

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Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-04 10:11 am 
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Viperion wrote:
Bottom, all day erry day and twice on Sundays.

But that's because in my mind a MP Revised Demonic Tutor is the same card as a Judge Foil Demonic Tutor and it's not worth what people think it's worth. I'm aware I'm in the minority on that one ;)


Once again, this forum needs like buttons. I'm with Viperion on this.

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-05 2:17 am 
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scatteredsun wrote:
Wow...how is Demonic Tutor not on the reserved list!?!? Totally thought it was!


It's very easy: the Reserved List consists of Rares (weird U1 shenenigans aside from sets that didn't have Rares, which doesn't apply to the Tutor that was always Uncommon in the sets relevant to the RL).

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-05 12:42 pm 

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I would take the Judge DT because i don't think that art will have a reprint. In a way, you could consider it similar to reserve list. The rest of the stuff is much cheaper and you can get it literally anywhere all day, and i don't like to trade down, as it is harder to trade back up. Some of these cards are a few bucks and will see reprints this and next year easily.

I also don't (generally) trade RL for non-RL, but Stronghold can be had for $30 which is not huge.

If you have a wants list of a bunch of $10 cards and the Demonic was already yours, i think you could get a pile more suited to your needs. But having the bottom pile would also be easy to turn into other $10 cards.

I don't think either are in a position to be 'obviously' a better investment financially, so it seems more like a trade where you take what you need. If you don't need your $30 card to exist as a $230 flashier version then i would not recommend that.

I collect Demonics though, and would be happy to make that trade every time personally (even outside that fact).


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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-09 12:40 am 
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Bottom by a longshot. With M25 and Wizards' irksome habit of reprinting cards in supplementary sets with Judge foil art (except for Dark Ritual, come on Wizards, throw me a bone, here), I would not want to give up that much only to see a reprint happen. I am biased though, because I am really not a fan of the art on the Judge Demonic Tutor.

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
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I'd take the judge promo DT for sure. Because it's way too expensive to buy outright while all those other, smaller cards would be much easier to trade for or buy outright.

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 Post subject: Re: Lets Make a Deal! Top or Bottom Edition
AgePosted: 2018-Feb-09 6:10 am 
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kirkusjones wrote:
Bottom by a longshot. With M25 and Wizards' irksome habit of reprinting cards in supplementary sets with Judge foil art (except for Dark Ritual, come on Wizards, throw me a bone, here), I would not want to give up that much only to see a reprint happen. I am biased though, because I am really not a fan of the art on the Judge Demonic Tutor.



If the JF had the original art with an old border *fans face* I would have had it years ago.

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Mayael the Anima -> Flopping Fatties
Phenax, God of Deception -> Grave Rats
Starke of Rath -> Wrath of Starke: MRC

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