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 Post subject: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-16 2:22 pm 

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I was abit disappointed that there hasn't been a 5 color legedary ally spoiled; that they killed off the most likely candidate for that role so far; and that it doesn't look like we are going to ever get there, while slivers are most likely going to get a FIFTH 5 color legendary ally. What's the deal? Now I have to find and build around Karona for the best level of tribal synergy. I'm more than a little salty about this right now.


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-16 3:04 pm 
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Who was killed off?

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 1:52 am 

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Commander Vorik. He died in The Survivors of Sky Rock.


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 2:14 am 
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Just because someone dies does not mean they won't get a card. Like half of the legends from the first Ravnica died during the story but they got cards.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 2:29 am 

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We've already had all of the non-eldrazi gold cards spoiled, and there was no 5 color legend among them, plus the likelihood of them printing Vorik in Oath seems highly unlikely as he has no bearing on that half of the story. Allies are never going to have a five color legend.


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 3:10 am 

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You could still have a mono-color legend with a 5-color activation here or in Oath.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 4:09 am 

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Why would you though? Because something is in certain colors doesn't require it to have a general for each combination. I think Karona is just fine if you need 5c.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 4:16 am 

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There certainly is the option to print a five color activation. That is already a theme in this set so far...

It also allows them to make a five color tiny leader.


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 4:17 am 

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Totally Not Ulamog Wearing An Ally Suit {10}
Legendary Creature - Eldrazi Ally
Indestructible
{W}: Exile a white Ally you control
{U}: Exile a blue Ally you control
{B}: Exile a black Ally you control
{R}: Exile a red Ally you control
{G}: Exile a green Ally you control
Allies, MmMm good!
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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 4:49 am 
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JJackson wrote:
Totally Not Ulamog Wearing An Ally Suit {10}
Legendary Creature - Eldrazi Ally
Indestructible
{W}: Exile a white Ally you control
{U}: Exile a blue Ally you control
{B}: Exile a black Ally you control
{R}: Exile a red Ally you control
{G}: Exile a green Ally you control
Allies, MmMm good!
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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 4:50 am 

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Why would you though? Because something is in certain colors doesn't require it to have a general for each combination. I think Karona is just fine if you need 5c.
why do slivers have 4 legendary 5 color legends? did they need the M15 indestructible legend? No, but they got it anyway. Saying that something doesn't need to exist because it doesn't does not lead to any valuable discussion. Slivers have 4 legends, so why can't Allies get even 1?


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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 5:08 am 
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Spectrar Ghost wrote:
Why would you though? Because something is in certain colors doesn't require it to have a general for each combination. I think Karona is just fine if you need 5c.
why do slivers have 4 legendary 5 color legends? did they need the M15 indestructible legend? No, but they got it anyway. Saying that something doesn't need to exist because it doesn't does not lead to any valuable discussion. Slivers have 4 legends, so why can't Allies get even 1?

I think the deal with the new sliver was that since wizards was starting to really capitalize on Commander, they realized that the previous sliver legendaries are a pain in the neck to get a hold of. New players that wanted to do 5-color slivers needed a legendary creature to do it with, and wizards couldn't reprint the old ones as Queen is on THE LIST, Overlord is a little too parasitic for limited or constructed play, and Legion felt out of place by being symmetrical and was probably too much raw power for a core set.

The problem with 5-color legends as it is now is that they are ridiculously narrow. As of now, there are twelve 5-color legends (not counting genju). Of these twelve, nine are tribal focused (the four slivers, Atogatog, Horde of Notions, Karona, Reaper King, and Scion of the Ur-Dragon). Granted, one of them is Karona, but omni-tribal is still tribal.

This leaves Child of Alara, Cromat, and Progenitus as your generic 5-color commanders. Unfortunately, Child has to be built around or its clunky at best and self-defeating at worst, Progenitus is going to generate a disproportionate amount of hate compared to how many times it ever actually makes it to the table, and Cromat is too generic for his own good.

As to why we don't get another 5-color tribal option, well, because 5-color tribal is already explored design space. 5-color needs a good all-around commander before it gets another set-parasitic streamlined boring lord commander, and I think WotC realizes this as well. I think things like Chromanticore are sort of testing the water, trying to see whether people want a card like that at legendary or not.

In essence, I think a 5-color legend is probably coming soon, but I don't think its going to be an Allies commander. It might synergize really well with allies, but 5-color doesn't need another super narrow tribal leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 5:13 am 

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Best ally legend is clearly Atogatog. Use Mirror Entity and Xenograft to fill in the gaps.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 6:55 am 
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Just throwing it out there, but Sliver Queen is a pretty solid general for almost any strategy that involves creatures and mana.

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 Post subject: Re: Why don't we have a 5 color Legendary Ally, and will we ever
AgePosted: 2015-Sep-17 7:00 am 
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I'm over here still waiting for a legendary spider.

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