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 Post subject: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 12:30 pm 

Joined: 2008-May-15 12:06 pm
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of my my latest creations

I introduce to you: Ob Nixilis, the black landfall deck.

I have a lot of fetch land, and crucible of worlds. And I also have some ways to give Ob nixilis fear, or unblockable.

// Lands
32 Swamp
1 Bad River
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Deserted Temple (untap cabal coffers)
1 Esper Panorama
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Grixis Panorama
1 Jund Panorama
1 Leechridden Swamp
1 Marsh Flats
1 Polluted Delta
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Rocky Tar Pit
1 Terrain Generator
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
// Creatures
1 Duplicant
1 Bane of the Living
1 Gatekeeper of Malakir
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Herald of Leshrac
1 nightmare
1 Withered Wretch
1 Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet
1 Korlash, Heir to Blackblade
1 Kuro, Pitlord
1 Maga, Traitor to Mortals
1 Myojin of Night's Reach
1 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
1 Seizan, Perverter of Truth
// Enchantments
1 Bloodchief Ascension
1 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Leyline of the Void
1 Necropotence
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Underworld Dreams
1 Wound Reflection
// Spells
1 Grim Harvest
1 Tendrils of Corruption
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Beseech the Queen
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Consume Spirit
1 Damnation
1 Death Cloud
1 Decree of Pain
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Mind Shatter
1 Mind Sludge
1 Mutilate
1 Plague Wind
1 Profane Command
1 Promise of Power
1 Rise from the Grave
1 Sadistic Sacrament
// Artifacts
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Eternity Vessel
1 Expedition Map
1Explorer's Scope
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Nightmare Lash
1 Trailblazer's Boots
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
1 Whispersilk Cloak
// Planeswalkers
1 Liliana Vess

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Omnath, locus of mana last updated 22/04/2010
Wrexial, the Risen Deep last updated 22/04/2010
Ob Nixilis, the fallen last update: 07/01/2010
Brion Stoutarm last update: 07/01/10


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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 1:16 pm 

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You need the black Karoo from Mirage. I forget the actual name and don't have time to check right now, but it works like a Ravnica block bounceland and taps for 1B. You can get a landfall trigger every turn by replaying that and bouncing it to your hand for the ETB trigger.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 1:52 pm 
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It doesn't get to bounce itself. Only an untapped swamp.
Everglades Still lets you replay one land though.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 3:06 pm 

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awww sadface. I could've sworn they worked just like Ravnica bouncelands.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 3:11 pm 

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Does Underworld Dreams have a combo or is just there to slowly suck people's life away?

50 lands seems like a lot, even for a landfall deck. You should run Journeyer's Kite to keep up with the land drops.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-07 7:32 pm 
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OK first of all I need to get this out of the way. You're playing WAAAAAY too many lands. 50 lands is extreme. I doubt I would ever play over 35 in a deck that is constructed to make land drops. The mana base that I run in my Korlash deck is as follows:

12 Swamp
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Maze of Ith
1 Winding Canyons
1 Vesuva
1 Terminal Moraine
1 Petrified Fields
1 Polluted Delta
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Bad River
1 Rocky Tar Pit
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Esper Panorama
1 Grixis Panorama
1 Jund Panorama
1 Marsh Flats
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Volrath's Stronghold

I run Ob Nixilis so I can attest to the power of this mana base's consistancy in a deck that is structured to use it.

I noticed that you're running Deserted Temple. If you don't consider it cheesy, you can add Rings of Brighthearth and generate infinite mana. Throw in a Sensei's Diving top after infinite mana is generated and you have "Pay 3 colorless: Draw a card" ad nausem. Since at that point you can more or less draw your deck, use Claws of Gix to sac a swamp and continually recycle swamps with a ever untapping thawing glaciers. Infinite mana aside, rings of brightheart is a card that deserves a spot in almost any EDH deck.

Right now the biggest glaring weakness I see in your deck is a absolute lack of sac outlets. You should at the very least be running claws of gix and Miren, the Moaning Well. Work on that and the mana base. I have further suggestions but I'd like to see what directions you'd like to take the deck in.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-08 3:17 am 

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Maybe I should add some history of this deck.
We were talking about generals that work with 99 land and 1 general.
We all know the red Ashling deck. So I said I was going to make an Ob Nixilis deck with only swamps.
Of course that is a very boring deck, so I played some black cards.
I started with more then 60 land. Then I started trading more black cards to replace swamps.
Finally I made the cut to 50 land, and I added some more black cards.
I really want to play a land every turn.

Until now, I never had the feeling I have too much land in this deck. Most of the time, I'm hoping of drawing a swamp.
It's what my deck does. Playing Ob Nixilis and playing swamp. with wound reflection in the game, every swamp is 6 life loss, every fetch is 12 life loss.
I also need a lot of mana for this deck, to play ob nixilis over and over.
This deck is still weak, because without ob nixilis, it's dead.

underworld dreams was a filler, but I found out that the card does more then you can expect. It seems so innocent, but everyone here draws a lot of cards in EDH. If you don't, you lose. I want to punish them for drawing cards. With ob nixilis, people lose life very fast. and those extra cards can make the difference.

I know it doesn't seems to be that strong, and I have a lot of weak cards in it, but those cards are the best in this deck.
In the beginning, people told me wound reflection was a bad card. But now they try to get rid of it as fast as possible.

Ob nixilis is a good EDH general, it is strong, but it is diplomatic. I only take 3 damage each time, and the one who has the best position that moment will take the damage.

Rings of brighthearth is a good tip. I'm going to try that.
I agree about the sac outlet. I need a way to sac my ob nixilis or other big creatures. If ob nixilis is shuffled in the deck, I'm done playing this deck.

about the mana base, I know it's not perfect. But 35 is really low for this deck. Any deck has at least 40 lands. So I want to play at least 45 in this deck

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Brion Stoutarm last update: 07/01/10


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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-08 10:54 am 
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The point of a mana base is to make sure that one makes land drops consistantly. In fact, part of building a good EDH deck is contained in the art of making sure one makes his or her land drops every turn. This is not done by increasing the number of lands in a deck. While this may increase one's chances of drawing a land, it is not a guarantee. When constructing a deck, one should not count on the chance of drawing lands.

What does this mean in practice? It means that if one plays stuff such as Thawing Glaciers, Armirillary Sphere, Journeyer's kite etc. that they can continue to make land drops well into the late game. With a mere 34 land in my Korlash EDH deck, I very rarely miss a land drop and when I do, its because I already have 12+ lands on the field.

Just as you're claiming about your deck, it doesn't look feasible on paper but in practice... Since you're running so many fetches (you should be running 12) you could really use Sensei's Diving top and Scroll rack. They let you shuffle away card you might not otherwise immediately need and gives you a level of library manipulation that will shock you.

Oh and good call on the rings. You can rings any fetch land and make it a rampart growth for more Ob Nixilis fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-08 3:27 pm 
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I'd take Rishana's advice for the most part, as anything more than making landfall each turn is often a wasted draw; it's not like you're playing Azami. However, I'd want a wee bit more land in Ob than Korlash, just because a late Ob is sad when all his swamps are in play, while Korlash is happy. Still, you can always use Thawing Glaciers as a permanently replayable landfall trigger.

You're missing the best tutors for an Ob Nixilis deck - Demonic Collusion (discard two lands, get Crucible, win), Dimir Machinations (get crucible, win) and Brainspoil (get back Ob post-condemn and KILL THE S.O.B. WHO TUCKED YOUR GENERAL!!).

Finally, this is probably an issue of card availability, but you want to get Lightning Greaves ASAP.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-08 11:00 pm 
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Yeah I was thinking that today too while I was doing some errands. I'd probably run about 40 land. However, I'd make sure the EDH land staples are there. These are:

Sensei's Diving Top
Scroll Rack
Armirillary Sphere
Expedition Map
Crucible of Worlds
Solemn Simularcrum
Thawing Glaciers
Wayfarer's Bauble (since you're landfall based)

I'd also make sure you have:

Claws of Gix
Reito Lantern
Grim Discovery

With these you can sacrifice a swamp and either refetch it late game should you run out of swamps to search or simply grim discovery it an play it again.

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-08 11:27 pm 
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i'm suprised i haven't seen undiscovered paradise mentioned. seems like it would be good in this deck...

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-09 11:41 am 

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thanks a lot for the tips. I'm going to make some changes and I'll update the list then!

Top with fetch is indeed better. Problem is I have only one top and 5 EDH decks, but you convinced me that top is best in this deck.

by the way: eternity vessel and necropotence is amazing!!! :twisted:

and woow, undiscovered paradise is an expensive card now... Did I miss something? since when is this card sold out everywhere?

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Omnath, locus of mana last updated 22/04/2010
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Ob Nixilis, the fallen last update: 07/01/2010
Brion Stoutarm last update: 07/01/10


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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-09 8:15 pm 
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landfall made it go from a janky cheap card to awesome. bloodghast/hedron crab anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: Ob Nixilis, the fallen
AgePosted: 2010-Jan-09 11:09 pm 

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Yeah, now that the new dredge runs 4x Undiscovered Paradise, it costs alot! But it is definately worth it if you are running landfall.

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